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Would really love to hear from people out there who are interested in knowing more about what real equality looks like. It can be just a word. Perhaps you have someone telling you that you are equal but you know that person doesn't understand and perhaps demonstrates a misunderstanding of how others may feel.

We would encourage anyone who has questions on this issue to contact us and learn what the issues are at stake and how we can address them.


Beyond Words said…
I'm a bit discouraged because I just read a book by my favorite contemporary theolgian, N.T. Wright, saying males should take the lead in marriage because if they don't society will run amok and feminists will make boys feel like girls are better than boys. How come no one seems top get it that making women subordinate to males makes them feel like boys are better than girls. He says the gender roles are reciprocal--but what does that mean if men should take the lead. I'm more concerned about building the kingdom of God and passionately following Christ than putting my behavior through the submission filter.

I'd love to hear how you model this mutuality in your marriage and faith.
Sorry 'beyond words' it's a while since we looked at our own blog site and had missed your comment. We were a little taken up with responses on the CBE site, the Scroll. Your commment deserves a thoughtful answer. We will get back to it a little later when we've both had some time to think about how we might respond to your request about how we model mutuality in our marriage and faith.
Beyond Words - what a great name. Often these issues are beyond words - words can get in the way at times but we need to find ways of using words to get across what is valuable to us and honouring to God.
Now..if N.T.Wright is your favourite theologian, it suggests to me that you could be in England and if that is so then we'd be rapt to think that someone from overseas has read our fledgling blogsite!
We actually posted 20 copies of Rev. Wright's keynote address at the UK conference for CBE last year to selected Anglican clergymen in Australia (no replies)
I am so surprised to hear that he wrote in that way re marriage - seems so inconsistent with what he said on Galatians 3:28/ It backs up what we are always concerned about - that the church has made some headway where women in ministry is concerned (more in some places than others) but the home is the last bastion for this whole leadership debate. Surely if marriages are lived in mutuality, then it would translate across to the church whereas now, we can have women who have leadership positions and can preach but are still expected to be under their "head" at home!

You are so right is comparing the statements re one gender feeling that the "other" is better. Being reciprocal can not be anything other than each preferring the other and considering each other's opinions, feelings and spirituality.

For ourselves, we model mutuality in our marriage by making a determined effort to really listen to each other, defer to one another's opinions or ideas
and defend one another vigorously. We don't make decisions without consulting each other and praying until we both feel the same about a matter.
In little ways we model mutuality and equal citizenship in the kingdom of God eg. often when we have guests, they just assume that Trevor will say grace or pray before they leave so he very often makes the point of suggesting that I pray or I might take the initiative and just say "let's pray" It's still takes a while to get over the barrier or people thinking that Trevor is being considerate or that I'm being too assertive but I think it helps people get used to the idea that women's prayers and sermons are just as God-honouring as what comes out of a man's mouth.
We always lived like this which we consider is normal for 2 Christians but encountered the expectancies of married people quite early in our marriage and struggled with other people's ideas of what we should and shouldn't do/be. In the last several years we have read so much great literature which has given us the tools to defend what we always felt in our hearts and now we try to be more outspoken and helpful to others who may be struggling with these issues.
We have recently retired from 30+ years in the one church situation beginning with Trevor as an elder, then part-time pastor to full-time pastor and eventually to our being co-pastors. It took a long time and much heartache and soul-searching to get to that place and even then there are some who would never endorse me as having that "role" They would say things like "we love what you do, just don't call yourself and elder or pastor" It takes a long time for some mindsets to change and we can't afford to get offended when people do or say thoughtless things which are actually demeaning.
Maybe I've given you too much information - maybe you have some more specific questions which we would welcome. Our desire at this stage in our lives is to be an encouragement to people who are disappointed in the area of equality and to help them realise that it is indeed a scriptural position.
Please write again and we can enjoy your comments and we will be encouraged as well.

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